1 Tuesday, 11 November 2003
2 [Open session]
3 --- Upon commencing at 9.03 a.m.
4 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you. Everyone, welcome.
5 [The accused entered court]
6 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes, Madam Registrar, could you call the case,
8 THE REGISTRAR: Case Number IT-99-36-T, The Prosecutor versus
9 Radoslav Brdjanin.
10 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, ma'am.
11 Mr. Brdjanin, good morning to you. Can you follow in a language
12 that you can understand?
13 THE ACCUSED: [Interpretation] Good morning, Your Honour. Yes, I
15 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you. And good morning to you.
16 Appearances, Prosecution.
17 MS. CHANA: May it please Your Honours, Ms. Sureta Chana,
18 Julian Nicholls, assisted by Denise Gustin, case manager.
19 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you. Good morning to you.
20 MS. CHANA: Good morning to you.
21 JUDGE AGIUS: Appearances for the Radoslav Brdjanin.
22 MR. CUNNINGHAM: David Cunningham and Aleksandar Vujic.
23 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, and good morning to you, too.
24 Any preliminaries before we proceed? No?
25 MS. CHANA: We do have the English version of the --
1 JUDGE AGIUS: The 608?
2 MS. CHANA: Yes.
3 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes. Thank you. Perhaps that can be
4 distributed later. In the meantime, let's bring in the witness, please.
5 I take it that today -- how long do you anticipate --
6 MS. CHANA: I will be finished before the first break.
7 JUDGE AGIUS: Which basically means that we adjourn?
8 MR. CUNNINGHAM: It means we have no objection to adjourning.
9 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes, it-- we reserve all opposition, Mr. Cunningham.
10 MR. CUNNINGHAM: Mr. Ackerman is preparing for the next witness
11 who we're going to proof this afternoon and we'll be ready to go in the
13 JUDGE AGIUS: The next witness will be here for how long do you
15 MR. CUNNINGHAM: Two days maximum.
16 JUDGE AGIUS: Two days.
17 MR. CUNNINGHAM: I think it might be comparable to this witness in
18 terms of his direct examination. I think it might be a bit longer because
19 he comes from Kljuc.
20 JUDGE AGIUS: All right. And who is going to cross-examine him?
21 MR. NICHOLLS: I'm not sure, Your Honour, at this point. Probably
22 Ms. Korner.
23 JUDGE AGIUS: All right.
24 So yes, usher, please.
25 [The witness entered court]
1 JUDGE AGIUS: So this is 2608 if I remember the number well. No?
2 MS. CHANA: Yes.
3 JUDGE AGIUS: Good morning to you, Mr. Savic.
4 THE WITNESS: [Interpretation] Good morning.
5 JUDGE AGIUS: And welcome again once more. You don't need to
6 repeat the solemn declaration. I just want to remind you that you are
7 testifying under an oath, the solemn declaration that you made -- you
8 entered yesterday. So take a seat, and let's get started so that you
9 leave this place the earlier -- the sooner the better.
10 Yes, Madam Chana.
11 MS. CHANA: Thank you, Your Honour.
12 WITNESS: MILENKO SAVIC [Resumed]
13 [Witness answered through interpreter]
14 Cross-examination by Ms. Chana: [Continued]
15 Q. Good morning, Witness.
16 A. Good morning.
17 Q. Today I want to ask you some questions about the paramilitary
18 formations. Yesterday, you told this Court -- the transcript, Your
19 Honours, is at page 25. And this was when you were shown the document
20 P400. And that is the Main Staff report about the problems the
21 paramilitaries were causing in the Prnjavor Municipality.
22 A. Prnjavor.
23 Q. Prnjavor, yes. Thank you for that.
24 And you said that Veljko Milankovic, they caused problems. I'm
25 reading from the transcript?
1 A. Yes.
2 Q. They caused problems, not only in Prnjavor, but also in the
3 general region of Prnjavor. And that resulted in some problems. And you
4 went on to say: I wanted him disarmed and placed under the command of the
5 Yugoslav People's Army. That's correct, isn't it?
6 A. Yes, it is.
7 Q. If you look -- if I can show the witness P400 again, please.
8 MR. CUNNINGHAM: I've got a copy of P400 right here in Serbian.
9 MS. CHANA:
10 Q. I want to take you to page 2 of that report. And it starts off
11 with "Many formations of this type..." Have you found that particular
12 line, Mr. Savic?
13 A. Page 2?
14 Q. Yes, page 2.
15 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes, could...
16 MS. CHANA: Perhaps it's on the first page of the B/C/S. It's
17 this one. Yes, it's just that English typing is larger than the B/C/S,
18 Your Honours.
19 [Trial Chamber and legal officer confer]
20 MS. CHANA:
21 Q. It would be the fourth point where it talks about the
22 characteristics of the paramilitary group. Have you got -- it's the
23 fourth point.
24 A. Yes.
25 MS. CHANA: Oh, sorry.
1 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes, I apologise, Ms. Chana.
2 MS. CHANA: Yes, Your Honour.
3 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes.
4 MS. CHANA:
5 Q. Have you found the place, Mr. Savic? "Many formations of this
7 A. Yes, it's on page 1.
8 Q. Yes. Now, if I can read it to you, the Main Staff report says
9 that: "Many formations of this type displayed hatred of the non-Serbian
10 peoples and one can conclude without reservation that they are the
11 genocidal element among the Serbian people."
12 A. Yes, that's what I'm reading here.
13 Q. Mr. Savic, did you think it was a good idea to have these
14 genocidal elements included into the army?
15 A. I didn't understand your question. Is it a good idea to do what?
16 Q. Because you had said in your transcript yesterday that you wanted
17 these paramilitary formations disbanded or put under the control of the
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Now, Veljko Milankovic, who was the commander of the Wolves of
21 Vucak, that's right, is it?
22 A. Yes, yes. I thought you were making a comment. But he was the
23 commander of that paramilitary group in Prnjavor.
24 Q. And he was involved in the takeover of the Kozara mountain in
25 August 1992, the transmitter. Were you aware of that?
1 A. Yes, I was. I had that information.
2 Q. And as of 5th June, I know you were not there at the time, were
3 you aware that he was put under the command of the 1KK?
4 A. I didn't see that document, but I did have some information to
5 that effect.
6 Q. Well, I'll show you P1802, P1802.
7 MS. CHANA: I have the B/C/S if I can assist the usher.
8 Q. This is from the command of the 1st Krajina Corps signed by
9 General Talic, is it not? And if you look at point 2 --
10 A. Yes.
11 Q. -- Would you agree -- you would now agree that he was appointed
12 the commander of the 327th Motorised Brigade?
13 A. That's what it says in the document. He was appointed as
14 battalion commander of the 327th Motorised Brigade.
15 Q. I would now like to show you P1803 and ask you: Were you aware
16 that he was actually given a decoration, a posthumous decoration for his
17 service to the army?
18 A. Yes, I had that information.
19 Q. And this document at point 5 reflects that, does it not?
20 A. It does indeed.
21 MS. CHANA: I would like to show the witness, it's not a tendered
22 document, ERN 03081715 to 1732. It's from Glas, Your Honours. Open
24 Yes, this can be given P2707, Your Honours.
25 Q. Have you ever seen this before?
1 A. No, I haven't. I'm reading this for the first time.
2 JUDGE AGIUS: Madam Chana, if you're going to ask him questions
3 based on any part of this, then we need to give him time to read it.
4 MS. CHANA: Yes, he can.
5 JUDGE AGIUS: Mr. Savic, take your time, please. Go through the
6 article. If he has never seen it before, I think he needs to read it.
7 THE WITNESS: [Interpretation] I can't read too well without my
8 glasses, but I think I have got the gist of the article. So you may
9 proceed asking me questions, Madam Prosecutor.
10 MS. CHANA:
11 Q. This is an interview of Mr. Milankovic, is it not? It's reporting
12 on an interview?
13 Can I point you to the -- I don't know what page it would be for
14 you, where he says, and I quote: "We were the victims of a political
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. And then the next paragraph, and I'll read that out, says:
18 "Although it's not time for disputes among the Serbs, I must say
19 something. We were a unit of the Autonomous Region of the Bosnian
20 Krajina. The president of the Assembly of the Autonomous Region of the
21 Bosnian Krajina, Vojo Kupresanin, and the Prime Minister,
22 Andjelko Grahovac, as well as the members of that government, and the
23 leadership of the Banja Luka SDS were fully informed about all our
24 operations. Actually, we took part in operations at the order of the
25 leadership of the Autonomous Region of Bosnian Krajina."
1 Would you agree that that was the case? Would you agree with the
2 sentiments expressed by Milankovic when he says this?
3 A. Knowing Milankovic as a criminal before the war, I wouldn't
4 believe his words because he was a liar, to put it that way. Who was his
5 commander, how things were arranged, it is very hard to say. He was
6 pretty much his own agent. He organised plundering. His unit consisted
7 of well-known criminals. So I would not be able to confirm this statement
8 of his. He used to brag a lot also.
9 Q. From your own knowledge of the events in the region, would you say
10 that there's any truth in this?
11 A. At the beginning, there is some truth, but let me point you to the
12 first passage. The MUP units of BH disarmed him. They were on paper
13 members of the MUP, but Delimustafic never sent any forces to capture him.
14 Those forces were organised from Prnjavor and Banja Luka. At the
15 beginning when it says walk on Serbian thorns, it's a lie, a notorious
16 lie. So this statement is nothing but him bragging about being
17 subordinated to somebody. Very often, he would issue false statements for
18 the press. So when you look at the first passage from the first word to
19 the last, it's all lies.
20 Q. Now, he was court-martialed, he was tried in a court-martial
21 court, was he not? Do you know about that?
22 A. No, I don't know anything about that. There was no court-martial.
23 It didn't exist. He was tried several times before the war. And during
24 the war, several criminal reports were filed against him.
25 Q. Now in the last -- I don't know what page it is, it's 6 in the
1 English page. "From the ruling of the military court in Banja Luka."
2 This is where the ruling says that Milankovic would not be
3 criminally prosecuted for the above-mentioned crimes because there were no
4 justified grounds to suspect the accused Milankovic committed these or
5 other crimes for which he is charged ex officio.
6 A. Yes, yes.
7 Q. This is from the investigating judge, Lieutenant-Colonel Vujanovic
8 [phoen]? So he was released, was he not? And continued --
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. -- combat operations? Do you know, are you aware that he that
11 his unit --
12 A. Yes, the war started in 1992. He continued with combat
13 operations, and his unit grew into a bigger unit of the 1st Krajina Corps.
14 Q. Now, when you arrested him, you found a large number of weapons
15 and other items, did you not?
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. What happened to them? Do you know?
18 A. Are you referring to the weapons?
19 Q. Yes, the weapons that you found --
20 A. Yes, we did find weapons, all sorts of weapons, small arms mostly,
21 and we packed all of that and transported it to Banja Luka and handed it
22 over to the corps in the military post in Banja Luka. So all the weapons
23 were handed over to the military in Banja Luka.
24 Q. But they disappeared, did they not?
25 A. I don't think so. It was with the army. What happened with the
1 weapons later on, I really don't know. I wouldn't be able to tell you.
2 All I can tell you that we handed the weapons over to the military in
3 Banja Luka.
4 Q. On the last page of this particular document.
5 A. Let me try and find it here.
6 Q. The title is "Where are the Weapons?"
7 A. Yes, I can see it.
8 Q. It was reported, was it not, and I quote: "When Veljko Milankovic
9 and his fighters were arrested, 20 pistols, 50 Zoljas, hand-held rocket
10 launchers, and a variety of other weapons were seized. But a certificate
11 on the confiscation of the weapons was not issued to them. When the
12 military court ruled that all the confiscated items were to be returned to
13 them, the weapons were missing. Where are the weapons? Is a question" --
14 I'm sorry, I'm speaking too fast. I apologise to the translators.
15 "When the confiscated items were returned to them, the weapons
16 were missing. Where the weapons are is a question which Milenko Savic,
17 the chief of the public security station in Prnjavor at the time and
18 military security forces which participated in this operation should
19 answer. Milankovic said he knew for sure that the Zoljas remained in the
20 Prnjavor public security station, but they have simply vanished into thin
22 They were never recovered, were they?
23 A. This is not true. This is not true. As usually he told lies.
24 This is just one of his stories to divert attention to myself, to blacken
25 me with the people and the leadership in Prnjavor. And I claim with full
1 responsibility that all the weapons were handed over in Banja Luka, and
2 there are documents testifying to that. I'm sure that you will still be
3 able to locate it in the public security station in Prnjavor and in Banja
4 Luka. We were very careful about all this because they -- we were aware
5 of the fact that he had said that Alija Delimustafic came from Sarajevo
6 with his Green Berets to disarm them, whereas it was us from Prnjavor and
7 Banja Luka. I'm sorry that I don't have the time to read the whole
8 article, but I'm sure that 95 per cent of it is blatant lies. So when I'm
9 reading this subtitle "Where are the Weapons?", all of this is a lie. And
10 Milankovic was known to brag a lot. He would always give himself higher
11 ranks. He would always engage in name-dropping, mentioning some leaders
12 in the area, but that would simply be bragging and not true.
13 Q. Right. Now, let me go to the Mice in Teslic where you also
14 participated in that arrest, is that not correct?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. You -- do you know who brought the Mice into Teslic?
17 A. There are several versions of that story. Some say that it was
18 the official municipal authorities. Some say that they came from another
19 centre of power. But the fact is that they did arrive in Teslic. I
20 wouldn't be able to tell you exactly who brought them and who asked for
21 their arrival in Teslic.
22 MS. CHANA: One minute, Your Honour. I'm looking for P1939. Can
23 the usher please assist me with P1939.
24 Q. It's a document dated 17th August 1992, and it's signed by the
25 chief of the centre. At the beginning of that document, it talks about
1 the arrest of a group of persons in Teslic on 30th June 1992. That would
2 be the Mice, would it not?
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. And it says: "At the request of Nikola Perisic, president of the
5 Teslic Municipal Assembly, and following a written authorisation,
6 operative commander Colonel Simic, First-Class Ljubisa Petricevic selected
7 a group of uniformed members of the military police," and it gives names.
8 Do you recognise any of these names?
9 A. Some names I do recognise, Vitomir Devic and so on and so forth.
10 I am familiar with some of these names.
11 Q. But they do belong to the Mice, is it not?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And it says that "in addition to the said group, at the request of
14 President Perisic, another group of ten uniformed persons were sent to
15 Teslic, Doboj CSB security services."
16 A. Yes.
17 Q. And it talks about, over the page, that a lot of ammunition and
18 artillery was also seized at the time of the arrest. And it says that
19 "during the arrest, the following items were seized from these individuals
20 without due issuance of receipts."
21 These weapons also disappeared, did they not, Mr. --
22 A. No, they didn't. These weapons were also handed over. And most
23 of these weapons did not disappear. Those people who had sent this group
24 to do what they did in Teslic sought justification for their acts, and
25 this is nothing else but that.
12 Blank pages inserted to ensure pagination corresponds between the French and
13 English transcripts. Pages 22473 to 22476.
1 MS. CHANA: I would like to show the witness P1947, please. 1947.
2 I have the B/C/S. Would you like to take mine.
3 Q. This document is a crime situation in the area of the Teslic
4 Municipality from June to September 1992. And it's by the public
5 Prosecutor, Branko Peric.
6 A. Branko Peric.
7 Q. Branko Peric. Yes, sorry about my pronunciation. And I want you
8 to go to the second page where it says "the actual crime situation...",
9 please. Now, this is after the Mice had been arrested, is it not, the
10 date of this document? And it's talking about the crime situation in
11 Teslic after the Mice had been arrested?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. And gotten rid of?
14 A. And it says that "the recorded crime is a fraction of the real
15 crime existing in society today. Most criminal acts remain undiscovered,
16 and many crimes are tolerated by the authorities for various reasons. The
17 Prosecutor's Office has knowledge of the day-to-day looting of property,
18 houses, and business premises being set on fire and destroyed, armed
19 robbery and murder being committed for base motives, socially owned flats
20 and private houses being occupied unlawfully, the stealing of forest
21 timbers. There is no criminal prosecution for most of these acts."
22 So would it not be true, then, to say that the crime continued and
23 went unpunished in the Teslic Municipality?
24 A. It may be said so, if you don't take into account the period
25 before the 2nd of June. These figures were even worse during the period
1 between the 31st of May and the 2nd of June. What is your ground for
2 comparison? If you have that document, you will see that measures were
3 taken and that curfew was introduced and people could only walk freely
4 around the town for three hours. It all depends on what your grounds of
5 comparison are. It is true that there was crime, but there were no
6 murders, there were no killings, no -- except for the killings in the
7 army. And if you look at this period and compare it with the period
8 between March and June, the three-month period between March and June,
9 then this report would be much better, much more favourable in comparison
10 with that period. It all depends on what this period is compared with.
11 So basically if -- I'm not saying that there was no crime. There was
12 looting. There was plunder. There were thefts. We had huge problems.
13 There were armed attacks against the police. There were renegade
14 soldiers, renegade police officers who did not want to put themselves
15 under the control of either the army or the police. So it was bad, but it
16 was not as drastic as one would think when you look at this document. And
17 I remember that people when they stopped me in the street, that they would
18 cry because they were so thankful to me.
19 I know Branko Peric personally. He is a very conscientious
20 prosecutor. He processed quite a lot of crimes at that time, which was a
21 courageous act at that time. I'm not denying that there were crimes, but
22 these figures are much better than the figures that you would find in the
23 period between the 31st of March and the 1st of June of that same year.
24 Q. Thank you, Mr. Savic. The Mice were also released. They were not
1 A. Yes.
2 Q. And they continued combat operations, right?
3 A. I don't know what they did after that. But they did not come back
4 to the area of Teslic while we were there as part of the Banja Luka
5 security centre.
6 MS. CHANA: That's all I have from this witness, Your Honour.
7 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, Madam Chana.
8 Mr. Cunningham, I understand, has no redirect?
9 MR. CUNNINGHAM: I have no redirect. I just would like to wish
10 the witness a safe trip home.
11 JUDGE AGIUS: Do you have any questions, Judge Janu?
12 Yes, Mr. Savic, Judge Taya from Japan has some questions for you.
13 Thank you.
14 Questioned by the Court:
15 JUDGE TAYA: Do you know the fate of those 1.350 people, at least
16 1.000 people, after being freed from jail in Teslic? They were not
17 detained once again after being freed by Milankovic's soldiers or by
19 A. May I reply.
20 JUDGE TAYA: Yes.
21 A. Veljko Milankovic was not active on that territory. That is a
22 misunderstanding. As for the fate of that 1.300 people, I don't know the
23 exact number, they all went home and they were grateful to us. I knew
24 some of those people. Some of them are still in Teslic, while some left
25 later on to go to another country. However, most of them did come back
1 afterwards. After the collection centres were dissolved, they went to
2 their homes and they were not arrested again. There may have been
3 isolated incidents, but they were quite safe.
4 JUDGE TAYA: During your working in SJB Banja Luka from April to
5 the end of 1992, who were in the position to give you orders? Can you
6 give names of all those people.
7 A. Yes, I can. My immediate superior was Slobodan Djurdjevic. He
8 was the chief of my department when I returned to Banja Luka from Teslic.
9 JUDGE TAYA: Orders were given orally always, without any
10 justifiable supporting papers?
11 A. For the most part, the orders I received were oral, and certain
12 financial documents were shown to me, which I was supposed to control or
13 check on in companies whether state-owned or private. So it was usual in
14 my department for orders to be given orally, and the same situation still
15 obtains in the MUP, unless something was exceptional or highly
16 confidential or high risk. And in that case, written plans were drawn up
17 and written orders issued.
18 JUDGE TAYA: Were you in the position to know with the
19 organisation from which those orders first originated?
20 A. Could I have known?
21 JUDGE TAYA: Yes, were you in the position to know?
22 A. Of course the chief of the centre who was at the head of the
23 pyramid had all the information, and he could issue orders through
24 Slobodan Djurdjevic, and we mostly operated at the request of aggrieved
25 parties and pursuant to information received from the terrain, from the
1 ground. Perhaps a car was stolen or something was stolen, so this
2 information arrived from different levels and different places.
3 If we received information that in a company somebody had
4 appropriated a hundred thousand euros, for example, we would first check
5 the information, and then our chief would issue us with an oral order to
7 JUDGE TAYA: As far as you know, those orders have never
8 originated from firstly the ARK Crisis Staff?
9 A. No. No, no they did not directly come to the department.
10 JUDGE TAYA: Nor indirectly, but they firstly originated from?
11 A. It's possible, but the police was quite independent because it had
12 its usual scheme of work. And these orders which arrived could arrive
13 from higher levels, but they did not in our case, in the centre of public
14 security. There were 10 or 20 people there, and now I think about it, no,
15 no, we didn't receive orders from higher up.
16 JUDGE TAYA: Thank you.
17 JUDGE AGIUS: I thank you, Judge Taya.
18 I have got one simple question for you, Mr. Savic: Would you
19 agree looking back at the event of Mr. Milankovic's arrest and subsequent
20 release that he enjoyed some kind of protection from higher up?
21 A. Well, I would agree, yes, he did enjoy certain protection. But I
22 also have to say that Veljko was a very dangerous criminal before the war,
23 and people were afraid of him regardless of the post they held. He had 23
24 serious crimes, or rather criminal reports behind him.
25 JUDGE AGIUS: Do you know if in actual fact he received a
1 decoration posthumously after he died? Are you aware whether he
2 received --
3 A. Yes, yes. There are documents to that effect, and I did have that
5 JUDGE AGIUS: [Previous interpretation continues]...
6 A. I don't know what the military chain of command was, but the
7 document was drawn up by the person who decorated him. Whether it was a
8 military or a civilian decoration, I don't know. But -- well, he was
9 decorated. I was not.
10 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes, thank you. I don't have any further questions
11 for you.
12 Judge Janu now has a question for you, sir.
13 JUDGE JANU: Mr. Savic, it's obvious that you tried to do your
14 work decently and faithfully as a good policeman, and you could see that
15 nobody appreciated that at that time. You could see that others were
16 decorated. What was your explanation at that time? How did you -- you
17 are an intelligent, educated man. You -- I believe there was some
19 A. I didn't have an explanation, and I still don't to this day. This
20 is the first time I have seen this text. I didn't follow the press. But
21 I always hoped that the war would be over one day. And I think, and I'm
22 deeply convinced, that things will fall into place. Well, I'm glad I
23 wasn't decorated, in view of everything I did and went through, perhaps I
24 deserved it.
25 JUDGE JANU: Was it apparent at that time that everybody who
1 didn't behave simply, say, your way, who didn't stick to the law was part
2 of something what wasn't proper? Was this apparent to everybody at that
3 time generally, that there is going on something what is not at all fair?
4 A. Well, many ordinary people thought the way I did. And they were
5 opposed to everything that was happening so that ordinary people just like
6 me hoped that better times lay ahead. And in Prnjavor, most people still
7 praise my actions, both Serbs and non-Serbs. However, that was what the
8 times were like. We were divided between those who wanted war and those
9 who didn't want war. And I most of the populations didn't want war, but
10 it was imposed on us. That is a broad topic, perhaps, and not something I
11 can go into in this courtroom.
12 But individuals came to the fore who did not deserve to be praised
13 or written about in newspapers.
14 JUDGE JANU: So everybody was able to make his or her choice where
15 to belong? Is that true?
16 A. Well, for the most part, but it was dangerous. It was dangerous
17 not to behave the way people around you were behaving, but everybody had
18 that option. The choice carried a certain risk with it.
19 JUDGE JANU: Thank you. That's all.
20 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you, Judge Janu, and thank you, Judge Taya.
21 Thank you, Mr. Savic. That brings us to the end of your testimony
22 which basically means you're free to go back home. You will be escorted
23 out of the courtroom by Madam usher, and you will be attended and receive
24 all the assistance that you require to enable you to return home. On my
25 behalf, on behalf of the Trial Chamber, on behalf of the parties here,
1 Madam Chana for the Prosecution and Mr. Cunningham for the Defence, I wish
2 to thank you for having come over to give testimony. And on behalf of
3 everyone, I also wish you a safe journey back home.
4 THE WITNESS: [Interpretation] Thank you. Good-bye.
5 [The witness withdrew]
6 JUDGE AGIUS: So yes, Mr. Cunningham.
7 MR. CUNNINGHAM: It's just a housekeeping matter, it's my
8 understanding that the Glas article dealing with Milankovic is P2707.
9 JUDGE AGIUS: That's how I have marked.
10 MR. CUNNINGHAM: I just wanted to make sure.
11 JUDGE AGIUS: Yes, Mr. Nicholls.
12 MR. NICHOLLS: Just this, Your Honour, I just want to make sure
13 that, well, I just want to get if we can a firm list of witnesses after we
14 take this next break and come back November 26th up until the Christmas
15 break. I know there has been some shifting around because of witnesses --
16 JUDGE AGIUS: I imagine there will be more shifting when
17 Mr. Ackerman and Mr. Cunningham come back from wherever they are going.
18 MR. NICHOLLS: But can we get any confirmation as of today that
19 the list is staying as we received it?
20 MR. CUNNINGHAM: Can I call and just let you know because I know
21 that Mr. Ackerman is working on that this morning.
22 MR. NICHOLLS: It does create problems --
23 JUDGE AGIUS: I have every reason to believe that this matter will
24 be looked into by Mr. Ackerman, and we'll have pretty much a clear idea of
25 what to expect and who.
1 MR. NICHOLLS: And the last question -- sorry. The last question,
2 is there any additional witness statement for the next witness?
3 MR. CUNNINGHAM: No.
4 JUDGE AGIUS: All right. So we are going to adjourn until
5 tomorrow morning at 9.00. And your witness has arrived, I take it,
6 Mr. Cunningham?
7 MR. CUNNINGHAM: My understanding is he comes in around noon today
8 because we're proofing at 2.00.
9 JUDGE AGIUS: If there is a problem or anything, please do let us
11 MR. CUNNINGHAM: Yes, Your Honour.
12 JUDGE AGIUS: Thank you.
13 Any further business? No, okay. We stand adjourned until
14 tomorrow morning. Thank you.
15 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 10.04 a.m.
16 To be reconvened on Wednesday, the 12th day of
17 November, 2003, at 9.00 a.m.