Page 4227
1 Thursday, 12 March 2009
2 [Open session]
3 [The accused entered court]
4 --- Upon commencing at 9.18 a.m.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Good morning to everybody in and around the
6 courtroom.
7 Madam Registrar, would you please call the case.
8 THE REGISTRAR: Good morning, Your Honours. Good morning
9 everyone in and around the courtroom. This is case number IT-04-81-T,
10 The Prosecutor versus Momcilo Perisic.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
12 Could we have the appearances for today, starting with the
13 Prosecution.
14 MR. HARMON: Good morning, Your Honours. Good morning, counsel.
15 Mark Harmon, Salvatore Cannata, and Carmela Javier for the Prosecution.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much and for the Defence.
17 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Good morning, Your Honours.
18 Tina Drolec, Milos
19 and Novak Lukic for Mr. Perisic.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much, Mr. Lukic.
21 Mr. Harmon.
22 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, first of all and thank you for taking
23 15 minutes delay in the proceedings. We were in the process of
24 organising considerable paperwork that we will be presenting to the
25 Chamber this morning.
Page 4228
1 The paperwork relates to a series of schedules that are the
2 product of discussion and considerable work by both the Prosecution and
3 Defence. We have reached agreement on a significant amount of evidence
4 that is on the Randall master list.
5 The Defence is considering other schedules that we submitted last
6 night. It is our except ation that we will achieve significant progress
7 in resolving the exhibits on the Randall master list, although
8 Mr. Randall will be required to testify in our view today for part of the
9 day, and we would request that he be permitted to testify on Tuesday, to
10 conclude his evidence, because what remains in work for the parties on
11 the schedules that are under consideration and discussion is
12 considerable; and we're trying to abbreviate as much of the presentation
13 as we can through the presentation of schedules.
14 Second of all, in terms of the items being presented today, I
15 know that the Defence are be requesting that some part of them be marked
16 for identification. Part of the work that is required in the ongoing
17 discussions is to resolve whether those should remain marked for
18 identification.
19 So what I would propose, Your Honour, and with the Court's
20 indulgence, is that we proceed, first of all, by presenting schedules.
21 Have I given copies of the schedules to the Defence already. Distribute
22 schedules, have Mr. Randall proceed in the manner in which he proceeded
23 yesterday which is to affirm that the source of each item on the schedule
24 is correct. I would move those items into evidence. And then I would
25 proceed with additional matters. I would use some exemplars and then
Page 4229
1 produce additional schedules for those items as well, or those thematic
2 portions Mr. Randall's evidence.
3 In my view, Your Honour, we will finish with Mr. Randall fairly
4 early today in light of the proposal because the schedules take care of a
5 lot of the evidence. So that is what I would like to inform the Trial
6 Chamber of at this point.
7 Thank you.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you, Mr. Harmon.
9 Mr. Lukic, do you confirm?
10 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Yes, I do confirm everything. Today
11 we will be embarking on some sort of an experiment to which all of us
12 want to contribute in terms of ensuring economy and expeditiousness.
13 I just want to ask of the Trial Chamber the following: When we
14 were exchanging arguments with Mr. Harmon in terms of various document,
15 please bear with us, we have to make sure which submissions we present in
16 relation to which documents. That's because of the volume of documents
17 we have before us simply, and we would like to good quality distribution.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: The Chamber will always be prepared to bear with
19 you, as long as it produces substantial progress. Thank you so much.
20 Yes, Mr. Harmon, you can call the witness.
21 MR. HARMON: Thank you, Your Honour. I call Mr. Randall.
22 [The witness takes the stand]
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Good morning be Mr. Randall.
24 THE WITNESS: Good morning, Your Honour.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: I now you know this, Mr. Randall. This is a
Page 4230
1 ritual we've got to go through. I've got to remind you once again that
2 you're bound by the declaration that you made at the beginning of your
3 testimony to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing else but the
4 truth.
5 WITNESS: BRETTON RANDALL [Resumed]
6 THE WITNESS: I understand that.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
8 Yes, Mr. Harmon.
9 Examination by Mr. Harmon: [Continued]
10 Q. Mr. Randall, we're going proceed this morning in the first part
11 of your testimony by providing you with a series of schedules, and we
12 will proceed in the same manner in which we did yesterday.
13 MR. HARMON: So I have the schedules, and if these could be
14 distributed to the witness and the Trial Chamber. They are sorted by
15 theme and the Defence has received their copies already.
16 Perhaps if the first set to be distributed, I'll proceed on the
17 first set and ...
18 If the witness could receive a portion of the first set, I'll
19 proceed with the first set.
20 THE WITNESS: Thank you.
21 MR. HARMON:
22 Q. Mr. Randall, you have been given a schedule by the usher. I
23 don't know which one she gave you. Can you tell me what is at the top of
24 that?
25 A. Air bombs.
Page 4231
1 Q. Mr. Randall, can you examine the schedule that --
2 MR. HARMON: First of all, let me see if the Trial Chamber has
3 the schedule that says air bombs. It should be the first one.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: [Microphone not activated].
5 MR. HARMON: All right.
6 Q. Mr. Randall, could you examine that schedule?
7 Can you -- after examination, can you affirm that the source as
8 identified in the schedule for each item is correct and accurate.
9 A. The schedule was produced off the master list. It's accurate.
10 MR. HARMON: I would request that each of the items in the list
11 receive an exhibit number.
12 MR. GUY-SMITH: With regard to this particular schedule, we have
13 requested and has been agreed between each of the parties that each of
14 the items contained in this particular schedule should be marked for
15 identification at the present time.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon.
17 MR. HARMON: That's fine, Your Honour.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: The list on that schedule of air bombs is admitted
19 and marked for identification. May it please be given an exhibit number,
20 at your convenience, Madam Registrar.
21 MR. HARMON:
22 Q. Do you have a new schedule in front of you, Mr. Randall?
23 A. No.
24 Q. It appears to me from my vantage point we're going to be out of
25 order. So do you have one in front of you that says "fuel" at the top?
Page 4232
1 A. No. I have medical, federal court decisions, Mladic indictment
2 package, legal texts.
3 Q. Do you have one that is entitled: Mladic medical. Is that
4 correct?
5 A. Yes.
6 Q. Could you -- let me let the Chamber, first of all, see if they
7 have that?
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: [Microphone not activated]
9 MR. HARMON: I'm sorry, Your Honour.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: You have fuel.
11 MR. HARMON: You have fuel. Okay well let's -- no, no, we'll
12 start. We will start it. We have a particular order, Your Honour. We
13 attempted to get an order and I apologise for the -- my failure to have
14 these sorted before I came into court. We simply ran out of time.
15 Q. So if you have fuel in front of you --
16 A. I do now.
17 Q. -- can you examine that, sir, and let me know if the sources are
18 accurate.
19 A. It's regarding fuel that was produced from the master list. It's
20 accurate.
21 MR. HARMON: Could each of those items receive an exhibit number,
22 Your Honour.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
24 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] The position of the Defence in
25 relation to this set of documents is as follows: Document marked 65 ter
Page 4233
1 526, 772, 842, 844, 914, 9115 [as interpreted], the Defence does not
2 object to their admission; whereas, the other documents listed here,
3 under numbers 09099, 09103, 09104, 09105, and 09106, we suggest be MFI'd.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Lukic, the interpreter said after 0914, said
5 9115. We have no such number on this list. We have 1155. Which one is
6 it that you wanted to refer to?
7 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Yes, yes. 1155 is the exact number.
8 MR. HARMON: No objection.
9 JUDGE MOLOTO: No objection. Then fuel schedule is admitted.
10 [Trial Chamber confers]
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: What's the position of the Defence, Mr. Lukic,
12 with respect to 09107?
13 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] We would also like it to be MFI
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. Madam Registrar, I'm not going to go
15 through all those 65 ter numbers. But the first batch of them are
16 admitted. May it please be given an exhibit number. And the remainder
17 are admitted but to be marked for identification.
18 MR. HARMON: Could the witness be given the following schedules.
19 Q. Mr. Randall, we're going to be referring to the schedule:
20 Sniping.
21 A. Yes.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Snagging?
23 MR. HARMON: Sniping, Your Honour. And I'll wait until
24 Your Honours have a copy.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Proceed. Don't wait for me.
Page 4234
1 MR. HARMON:
2 Q. Mr. Randall, could you examine that schedule and inform us
3 whether or not the sources are accurate?
4 A. It is produced from the master list. It's accurate.
5 MR. HARMON: I would ask that each of these items be given
6 number.
7 MR. GUY-SMITH: And we've agreed between the parties that these
8 items contained in this schedule be marked for identification at the
9 present time.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon.
11 MR. HARMON: That's fine, Your Honour.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. They are admitted on sniping and marked for
13 identification. Please, Madam Registrar.
14 MR. HARMON:
15 Q. Mr. Randall, there's a schedule in front of you this says SVK-VRS
16 logistics. Could you examine that schedule, please, and tell us
17 whether -- the provenance of each document is correct?
18 A. If that was produced from the master schedule it is accurate.
19 There is a notation on the right for protected document.
20 Q. I'll take care of that, Mr. Randall.
21 A. Okay.
22 MR. HARMON: Then, Your Honour, I would ask that two of the
23 items -- all three items be given an exhibit number, and I would ask that
24 08885 and 09446 be placed under seal.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Guy-Smith.
Page 4235
1 MR. GUY-SMITH: Yes. We do not object to the introduction of
2 these particular items into evidence. I am concerned because of the
3 qualification that Mr. Randall gave in his answer that being if it was
4 produced from the master schedule. Perhaps we can just have a follow-up
5 question with regard to that since it is a qualified answer.
6 MR. HARMON:
7 Q. Mr. Randall do you have the master list in front you, and could
8 you check to see if those items were produced from the master list?
9 A. I was involved in the production of the master list. But I just
10 haven't seen these schedules until today, Your Honour. That is the
11 reason why I qualified it.
12 Do you want me it check each --
13 Q. Yes, please.
14 A. Yes, that's correct. These are reflected in the master list.
15 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, if it could be given exhibit numbers
16 with the two I've designated as being protected, under seal.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
18 MR. HARMON: Thank you.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Guy-Smith.
20 MR. GUY-SMITH: Then we maintain the position there is no
21 objection. I should not for the record that since 09446 is pending in
22 this Prosecution seventh supplemental exhibit list for purposes of that
23 motion, the Defence does not object. There is a pending motion there,
24 Your Honours, since it's not a matter that's been deal with [Overlapping
25 speakers] ... so the record is clear in that regard as well.
Page 4236
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, they're admitted please give them
2 exhibit lists.
3 MR. HARMON:
4 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule will be VRS/VJ coordination with
5 VJ Main Staff information centre.
6 A. Yes, that's accurate.
7 MR. HARMON: Could each of these items be given an exhibit
8 number, Your Honour.
9 JUDGE MOLOTO: They are so admitted. May it please be given an
10 exhibit numbers, pending -- yes.
11 MR. GUY-SMITH: The parties agreed that these documents would be
12 marked for identification at the present time as well.
13 MR. HARMON: That's correct, Your Honour.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: If could you say it, if that is agreement so that
15 we avoid Mr. --
16 MR. HARMON: The problem is, Your Honour, I don't have those
17 notes in front me. It is incumbent on the Defence. We have agreed that
18 they would raise those matters.
19 MR. GUY-SMITH: What I'll do is I'll jump up a little bit. I'll
20 jump up a little bit earlier when we're dealing with marked for
21 identification.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Just say MFI
23 MR. GUY-SMITH: Fine.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Then we can move on --
25 MR. GUY-SMITH: I know one thing that is going, and it is my
Page 4237
1 assumption that the Prosecution has made a good-faith attempt to take
2 from the master list those documents and put them into these particular
3 schedules.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: That is what Mr. Randall is doing.
5 MR. GUY-SMITH: Correct. Fine. I'm -- if there is a way of
6 making that quicker, I'm happy to do that as well.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
8 MR. HARMON: The next schedule, Your Honour --
9 Q. Mr. Randall, SVK situation reports.
10 MR. GUY-SMITH: This would be an MFI.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
12 THE WITNESS: Would you like me to cross check every one?
13 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I can make a representation --
14 representation these schedules have been taken from the master list.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: That's what I thought would be the case.
16 MR. GUY-SMITH: That's what I was trying to drive at a moment
17 ago.
18 MR. HARMON:
19 Q. So, Mr. Randall, I don't think there is any need for you to
20 check.
21 A. On that basis I agree that it is it accurate.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
23 MR. HARMON: I would ask that these be given marked for
24 identification given exhibit numbers.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: May they be so marked for identification and given
Page 4238
1 exhibit numbers, Madam Registrar.
2 MR. HARMON:
3 Q. Mr. Randall, do you have VRS requests for personnel.
4 A. Yes. It's accurate.
5 MR. GUY-SMITH: MFI
6 MR. HARMON: Then we would ask that each of those items be given
7 an exhibit number.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: And marked for identification, Madam Registrar.
9 MR. HARMON:
10 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule is Pretis testing.
11 MR. GUY-SMITH: MFI
12 THE WITNESS: That is accurate.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, made a MFI.
14 MR. HARMON:
15 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule is titled, Pretis.
16 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, you can admit those and give them
18 exhibit numbers, please.
19 MR. HARMON:
20 Q. Mr. Randall, can you -- you don't need to be deal with that
21 schedule. They have been admitted. There is no objection.
22 BiH Assembly minutes is the next schedule I'd like you to
23 address.
24 A. It's accurate.
25 Q. Wait a minute for my colleagues.
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1 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, we would ask that these be given an
2 exhibit number, please.
3 MR. GUY-SMITH: We have no objection to this schedule. However,
4 we believe that the last two 65 ter numbers, 2087 and 2134, are
5 duplicates.
6 I apologise, I misspoke. 01999 and 02134 are duplicates. And
7 there's a previous exhibit number of P339.
8 MR. HARMON: Yes. Your Honour, we accept that. 02134 is P339,
9 so that obviously doesn't need to be addressed, and 01999 is a duplicate.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: Is a duplicate of 2134 --
11 MR. HARMON: Yes.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: -- and which is already an exhibit.
13 MR. HARMON: Correct.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: So we have to strike both of them from this list.
15 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, you can admit all those except
17 01999 and 02134, those are struck out of the list. Thank you.
18 MR. HARMON:
19 Q. Mr. Randall, the next one is supreme military court judgements.
20 A. That is accurate.
21 MR. GUY-SMITH: We interpose the objection that we interposed
22 yesterday with regards to a continuing objection.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Therefore, MFI. Global.
24 MR. GUY-SMITH: This, I believe is the -- we had a continuing
25 objection with regard to issues concerning relevance when they were
Page 4240
1 judgements because they were outside the indictment period, and I
2 believe --
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Which we globalised.
4 MR. GUY-SMITH: Yes.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay, that's what I'm talking about.
6 And therefore it is not in a MFI.
7 MR. HARMON: I understood the Court had made a ruling on that.
8 MR. GUY-SMITH: I think you may well have made a ruling, and I
9 think in that regard you may have overruled the objection.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: I think so, okay, you're right.
11 MR. GUY-SMITH: I'm happy to argue it again.
12 Just kidding. Just kidding.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: It is it res judicata.
14 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I would ask that the items that are
15 shaded put under seal on this list. That it would be 8072, 8082, 8084,
16 8085, and 8086 under seal, and the remaining documents be public.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay.
18 Madam Registrar, I'd admit under seal as shaded.
19 MR. GUY-SMITH: Excuse me, Mr. Harmon, I do apologise. Going
20 back to the document entitled BiH Assembly minutes, just for purposes of
21 clarity of the record, the 65 ter number, 532, has been partially --
22 parts of it had been admitted previously in P312.
23 MR. HARMON: I'm not sure which part versus been so ...
24 MR. GUY-SMITH: Very well. We had noted this yesterday, and just
25 for purposes of trying to have some kind of clarity with regard to what
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1 the record looks like.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
3 MR. HARMON: I'm informed, Your Honour, these are different
4 parts.
5 [Trial Chamber and registrar confer]
6 [Prosecution counsel confer]
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon, I'm advised that although -- yes, it
8 is true that -- parts of this document are part of P312. However, the
9 entire document is still available on e-court under the testimony of
10 Mr. Torkildsen, and so maybe you may want to have that document there
11 admitted under P312, the rest of it --
12 MR. HARMON: Yes.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: -- and then strike this one out.
14 MR. HARMON: That would be fine.
15 MR. GUY-SMITH: That would be fine. I think that is in
16 conformity with the procedure that we were using previously when we were
17 dealing with large documents.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. Then, Madam Registrar, you will strike out
19 00532 from the list of BiH Assembly minutes, and then you will admit
20 under P312 the entire document that is already on -- in e-court.
21 MR. HARMON:
22 Q. Mr. Randall, could you turn your attention to the schedule that
23 says RFAs.
24 A. Can I just have a look at 65 ter 5047, please, on the screen?
25 It's just the source may be inaccurate. I just want to cross-check.
Page 4242
1 [Trial Chamber and registrar confer]
2 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, if we can come back to 0547, there
3 seems to be a technical problem with that.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: I'm awfully sorry. Thank you. I was saying if I
5 may repeat myself, the Registrar is trying to get it up on the screen.
6 Thank you so much.
7 MR. HARMON: So is Ms. Javier, Your Honour, but she is having
8 some difficulty. If we can come back to that item then I will address it
9 later in the day. Put that on the screen and if the other items can be
10 admitted.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Than you.
12 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. Thank you. Admit, Madam Registrar, minus
14 5047.
15 MR. HARMON: Yes, thank you.
16 Q. Mr. Randall, the next schedule is open source.
17 MR. GUY-SMITH: MF --
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: I've run out of schedules. Oh.
19 MR. GUY-SMITH: This is a MFI
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: It's okay, Mr. Randall, we have already heard the
21 response from the Defence. They say it will be MFI. Don't worry. Thank
22 you. Madam Registrar, do the necessary.
23 MR. HARMON:
24 Q. The next schedule, Mr. Randall, is -- the next schedule is
25 Mladic, medical.
Page 4243
1 A. It's accurate.
2 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, will you admit under seal.
4 MR. HARMON: Thank you.
5 Q. Mr. Randall, the next item is federal court decisions, unused
6 annual leave.
7 A. It's accurate.
8 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
9 MR. GUY-SMITH: This is the schedule to which there has been a
10 continuing objection, and the Court has made a previous ruling.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
12 Madam Registrar will admit.
13 MR. HARMON:
14 Q. Next, sir, we have the Mladic indictment package. I don't -- I
15 don't believe the Defence had any objection to this.
16 MR. GUY-SMITH: I think the question was whether or not we could
17 make a smaller package, and my notes indicated we MFI'd it only because
18 they thought of maybe introducing but a few of these documents. We just
19 had to work that one out.
20 MR. HARMON: I'm satisfied to come back to this, Your Honour. We
21 can engage in further discussions today further on this, and I withdraw
22 the schedule for the time being.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay.
24 MR. HARMON: And the final item that I have is legal texts, and
25 on this I don't believe there is --
Page 4244
1 MR. GUY-SMITH: There's no objection whatsoever.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, you can admit legal texts.
3 Next schedule.
4 MR. HARMON: We're now going to proceed with some exemplars,
5 Your Honour, and I will pass out the schedules that are associated with
6 these.
7 The schedule, just for the benefit of my colleagues, is the
8 Dragomir Milosevic family separation file, and ...
9 If I could have the assistance of the usher, Your Honour, we have
10 a binder here for Mr. Randall. Rather than bringing down 40 binders, we
11 consolidated the exemplars into a single binder.
12 Your Honours, don't have a schedule yet on this.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: I understand.
14 MR. HARMON: So I will -- I will distribute this. The
15 Dragomir Milosevic family separation file schedule, and then I will show
16 some exemplars.
17 Defence counsel already has copies of these.
18 If one could be given to the witness.
19 Q. Let me --
20 MR. HARMON: Madam Registrar, could you please put on the monitor
21 65 ter 7993, which is found at page 161 of the Randall master list.
22 Q. Can you find that in the binder in front of you, Mr. Randall?
23 A. 7993.
24 Q. Yes, sir.
25 A. Yes.
Page 4245
1 Q. Can you identify that document, sir?
2 A. Yugoslav army military post number 1790 decision relating to a
3 claim made by Dragomir Milosevic for payment of family separation
4 allowance for the period of 1 June 1995
5 provided by the government of Serbia
6 Request for Assistance 1115.
7 MR. HARMON: Could this be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: The document is admitted into evidence. May it
9 please be given an exhibit number.
10 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P871, Your Honours.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
12 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 8027 on the monitor. That is
13 found at page 163 of the master list, Your Honours.
14 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document?
15 A. That is a supreme military court judgement issued on 20 May 1998
16 file number 757/97. Deliberating in the matter of the suit filed by
17 Dragomir Milosevic concerning payment of family separation allowance.
18 And the source of that document was the government of Serbia and
19 Montenegro
20 MR. HARMON: Could I ask that this be given an exhibit number,
21 Your Honour.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: That is admitted. May it please be given an
23 exhibit number.
24 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P872, Your Honours.
25 MR. HARMON: Could I have on the monitor 65 ter 8028, please.
Page 4246
1 Q. Can you identify that document, Mr. Randall?
2 A. Yes. That is a federal court judgement bearing the record number
3 163/98. Again, in relation to Dragomir Milosevic and in the legal matter
4 of compensation of family separation allowance. It's dated
5 29 September 1998
6 and Montenegro
7 MR. HARMON: Could I ask that be given an exhibit number, Your
8 Honour.
9 JUDGE MOLOTO: That is admitted. May it please be given an
10 exhibit number.
11 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P873, Your Honours.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
13 MR. HARMON:
14 Q. Mr. Randall, have you -- should have in front of you, then, a
15 schedule that says: D. Milosevic, family separation file. Can you
16 examine that and inform us if -- about the provenance of the items and
17 whether it's accurate.
18 A. Yes, that is accurate.
19 MR. HARMON: I ask, Your Honour, that each of those items be
20 given an exhibit number.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: They are admitted. May it please be given an
22 exhibit number.
23 MR. HARMON: I have another schedule to distribute, Your Honour.
24 For the benefit of my colleagues, we're going to be going to SVK
25 logistics.
Page 4247
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon, if I may just -- and I don't want it
2 delay you, I'm not quite sure I understand how what you call exemplars
3 relate to the schedule -- the mini-schedule. I would have -- because I
4 would have thought that those things that you call exemplars would have
5 been part of this Milosevic family separation file and maybe you would
6 pick up one of them and the rest would be admitted, but I'm not quite
7 sure how the relationship goes.
8 MR. HARMON: In this case, Your Honour, I wanted to show you a
9 sequence of documents starting with a denial by a lower formation. Then
10 I wanted to show you -- display the supreme military court judgement.
11 And then I wanted to show you the federal court judgement. So there is
12 sequence. The remaining documents I thought were less important for
13 Your Honours to see, and, therefore, they were placed on a schedule.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: But they're all documents that relate to that --
15 MR. HARMON: This one litigation, yes, sir.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you. Okay.
17 MR. HARMON: Can I have 65 ter 8935 on the monitor, please. And
18 that's found at page 203 in the master list.
19 Q. Can you identify this document?
20 A. This is a General Staff of the Army of Yugoslavia, operations
21 sector, communications administration, military secret confidential
22 report. Bears a date-stamp of 1 September 1993 provided by the
23 government of the Republic of Serbia
24 Assistance 1350.
25 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
Page 4248
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
2 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] At this point I should like to stop
3 this very expeditious progress of our work. I have a general objection,
4 Your Honours, to this document and to the batch of documents that
5 Mr. Harmon wishes to tender at this moment. Calling them the logistical
6 documents of the Serbian army of Krajina. The general objection is this:
7 I believe that documents which refers to the material assistance
8 of the Army of Yugoslavia
9 Army of the Serbian Krajina is not of relevance to our indictment.
10 When I say our indictment, I mean the indictment that we have in
11 this case. That is because the documents which refer to material
12 assistance do not in the perception of the Defence refer to any of the
13 charges related to 7(3), which is command responsibility for which
14 General Perisic has been indicted.
15 I primarily refer you to paragraph 52 of the indictment, which
16 has to do with the crime in the annex committed by the Serbian Army of
17 the Krajina, and I believe that these documents which concern any form of
18 material assistance, there is no reason for them at all to be tendered --
19 those which refer to the Serbian Army of the Krajina.
20 It is true, Your Honours, that in the indictment, in
21 paragraphs from 24 to 28, the Prosecutor invokes -- or, rather, refers
22 also to the Serbian Army of Krajina to which significant material
23 assistance has been provided, but that is connected with 7(1), individual
24 criminal responsibility; but what Mr. Perisic is charged with is
25 exclusively related to command responsibility.
Page 4249
1 So we have made a clear distinction between documents which refer
2 to - shall I say - personal things, including personnel assistance
3 because that can be subsumed under the Prosecution thesis relate to the
4 7(3), but throws which refer to material assistance are not relevant to
5 this indictment.
6 This is our general legal objection in connection with this batch
7 of documents except for three documents for the schedule which are in
8 these SVK schedule which can be MFI
9 view only encumber the case and the proceedings before this
10 Trial Chamber.
11 So this is our general objection. Should be overrule it, then we
12 would venture to state whether we feel that it should be MFI'd or
13 otherwise tendered.
14 Thank you.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Harmon.
16 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, we do believe that these documents
17 relate to what is found in paragraphs -- starting at paragraph 24 and
18 moving through paragraph 28 of the indictment, and that is the relevance
19 of these documents.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, okay, I see heading on the indictment.
21 Then I must overrule the objection in that event.
22 MR. HARMON: Thank you.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: The -- the document is, therefore, admitted. May
24 it please be given an exhibit number.
25 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P874, Your Honours.
Page 4250
1 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
2 MR. HARMON:
3 Q. Mr. Randall, do you have in front of you a list, entitled: SVK
4 logistics?
5 A. Yes, I do.
6 Q. Could you examine that list and affirm if the provenance of each
7 of those documents is accurate.
8 A. Yes, it's accurate.
9 MR. GUY-SMITH: MFI
10 MR. HARMON: And I would ask, Your Honour, each of those items be
11 given an exhibit number, MFI
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much. Madam Registrar, if you will
13 do the necessary.
14 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, I have another schedule to distribute.
15 And if I could, in the meantime, Madam Registrar, if you could call up
16 65 ter 7369, which is found at page 122 of the master list.
17 THE WITNESS: Thank you.
18 MR. HARMON:
19 Q. Mr. Randall, I -- 7369 is the number.
20 A. I have it in the binder or ...
21 Q. You should have it in the binder. You should have every exemplar
22 in the binder.
23 A. Yes, I've got it.
24 Q. Can you identify the document, Mr. Randall?
25 A. Yes, it is a Main Staff of the Serbian army of Krajina, strictly
Page 4251
1 confidential request, dated 14 May 1994
2 replenishment of RV and PVO in the SVK for the Yugoslav army General
3 Staff. That was received from the Republic of Croatia
4 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: That is admitted. May it please be given an
6 exhibit number.
7 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P875, Your Honours.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
9 MR. HARMON:
10 Q. Mr. Randall, do you have a schedule in front of you, says SVK
11 request for personnel.
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. Can you examine that, please, and affirm that the provenance of
14 each of those documents is accurate.
15 A. Yes, it's accurate.
16 MR. GUY-SMITH: With regard to this schedule, we would request
17 that Rule 65 number 891 and Rule 65 number 898 be marked for
18 identification. The balance can be given numbers.
19 MR. HARMON: No objection, Your Honour.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, you can admit that schedule but
21 marked for identification, 0891 and 0898.
22 [Prosecution counsel confer]
23 MR. HARMON: Madam Registrar, could you assist me in distributing
24 another schedule, please.
25 Could I have placed ... could you place on the monitor 8983.24,
Page 4252
1 which is found at page 210 of the master list.
2 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify that document for us.
3 A. It is a Federal Republic of Yugoslavia General Staff of the
4 Yugoslav army, office of the chief of the General Staff order, issuance
5 of materiel dated 10 May 1994
6 It was received from the government of the Republic of Serbia
7 to Request for Assistance 1350.
8 MR. HARMON: I would ask that this given an exhibit number,
9 Your Honour.
10 MR. GUY-SMITH: I believe the position with this schedule is we
11 have no objection to the specific documents that are contained therein.
12 However, to the extent that any guidance is going to be taken from the
13 title of the schedule itself, we object to that.
14 MR. HARMON: I have no problem with the title being stricken,
15 Your Honour.
16 MR. GUY-SMITH: Fine.
17 MR. HARMON: Or ignored.
18 MR. GUY-SMITH: Yes.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Except in this specific stage, we are dealing with
20 8983.24, not the schedule.
21 MR. GUY-SMITH: I do apologise. That's fine. I was actually
22 trying to get ahead and be more efficient apparently.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much, Mr. Guy-Smith.
24 Then 8983.24 is admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
25 number.
Page 4253
1 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P876, Your Honours.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
3 Mr. Harmon, the schedule VRS Main Staff in Belgrade can we strike
4 off that title and just admit that schedule.
5 MR. HARMON: That's fine with me, Your Honour.
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: What shall we call the title? What shall we call
7 the schedule? Do you have a new title?
8 MR. HARMON: I would say, Your Honour -- I would say --
9 THE INTERPRETER: Mr. Harmon, please speak into the microphone.
10 MR. HARMON: -- orders to issue materiel supplies.
11 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Your Honours, we were generally
12 against any titles. We believe that it is the most objective just to
13 mark it with A, B, C, D, E, because since we have adopted this practice
14 already, we wish it to be as neutral as possible in every conceivable
15 sense.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Lukic, the only reason I'm asking for a title
17 is for me to be able to identify the document that contains the list.
18 Having identified that, I forget completely what the title means
19 [Overlapping speakers] ... look at the documents in the list.
20 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] We agree, Your Honour, for it to be
21 this -- like this.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: And that's admitted, Madam Registrar, will you
23 please give all those documents therein an exhibit number.
24 [Prosecution counsel confer]
25 MR. HARMON: Your Honours, would this be an appropriate time to
Page 4254
1 break? I notice the time. I have exceeded my time.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Indeed, you have, Mr. Harmon, and we will take a
3 break and come back at quarter to 11.00.
4 Court adjourned.
5 MR. HARMON: Thank you.
6 --- Recess taken at 10.21 a.m.
7 --- On resuming at 10.47 a.m.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Harmon.
9 MR. HARMON: If I could have the assistance of the Registrar in
10 distributing another schedule, and I will go directly to some exemplars
11 relating to this. Thank you.
12 And if the Registrar could put up on the screen 65 ter 9227,
13 which is found at page 219 of the master list.
14 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please, and identify
15 its provenance as well?
16 A. It's a decision regarding the 608th Logistic base Main Staff
17 Yugoslav army dated 28 December 1993
18 That was received from the government of the Republic of Serbia
19 response to Request for Assistance 1504-A and 1504-B.
20 MR. HARMON: I would ask that be given an exhibit number,
21 Your Honours.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: It admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
23 number.
24 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P877, Your Honours.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
Page 4255
1 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter number 8888 on the monitor, page
2 3 of the English, and page 2 of the B/C/S. And that's found at page 200
3 of the master list.
4 Could I perhaps see the -- can you scroll up on the English just
5 to see the -- scroll down just a bit -- up a bit, please. Thank you.
6 Q. Can you identify this document?
7 A. This is a Federal Republic of Yugoslavia General Staff of the
8 Yugoslav army, office of the chief of General Staff. Tasks assigned by
9 the chief of the General Staff, VJ, at a meeting held on
10 27 September 1993
11 of Serbia
12 MR. HARMON: I would ask that be given an exhibit number, Your
13 Honour.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: The document is admitted. May it please be given
15 an exhibit number.
16 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P888 [sic], Your Honours.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: 88 or 78?
18 THE REGISTRAR: 878, I apologise, Your Honours.
19 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 3312 on the monitor. That's
20 found at -- on the master list at page 64.
21 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please.
22 A. It's a decision to redistribute motor vehicles for the need of
23 the 30th Personnel Centre, bearing the name Lieutenant-General Momcilo
24 Perisic, dated 12 July 1995
25 Prosecutor by the stabilisation force in Bosnia and Herzegovina
Page 4256
1 MR. HARMON: Could this be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Lukic.
3 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Your Honour, we ask that the document
4 be marked for identification.
5 MR. HARMON: No objection, Your Honour.
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you. May you please MFI, Madam Registrar.
7 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P879 marked for
8 identification, Your Honours.
9 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
10 MR. HARMON:
11 Q. Now if we can turn our attention, Mr. Randall, to the lists, a
12 copy of which you should have in front of you that says at the top it
13 say, VRS logistics. Do you have copy of that?
14 A. Yes.
15 Q. Can you examine that in the fashion we've done earlier and
16 confirm whether or not the provenance of the document is accurately
17 reflected in the list.
18 A. It's accurate.
19 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, in respect of each of these items, I
20 would ask that it be given an exhibit number. I know my colleague wishes
21 to suggested something to the Court for which have I no objection.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Are you sure you don't have an objection to it.
23 MR. HARMON: No, I anticipate he will stay true what he has told
24 me, Your Honour.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay.
Page 4257
1 Mr. Lukic.
2 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] What we checked in the list we had --
3 actually we're not sure whether these numbers correspond to the ones
4 received yesterday from the Prosecution. At any rate, we're in your
5 hands, Your Honour. We have some 60 documents on the list with which
6 we -- with whose admission we agree, whereas for the others we would like
7 them to be marked for identification.
8 To be on the safe side, perhaps I should send the list of
9 documents we agree be admitted, and the rest should be MFI'd. If you
10 want me to, can I read them out. There are some 60 of them that we have
11 no dispute with.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Lukic, you said you are in our hands. Will
13 you be released from our hands if we say partly MFI'd and partly
14 admitted. And you can sort out which is admitted, which is MFI'd.
15 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] That would be the best way to
16 proceed, and we will sent a list to make sure that no error is made.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much, Mr. Lukic. If that's fine by
18 you -- you already said you want to --
19 MR. HARMON: I have no objection.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay.
21 Madam Registrar, will you admit and MFI as we get the list from
22 the Defence, as to what is to be MFI
23 MR. HARMON: Could the next exhibit be placed on the monitor. It
24 is 65 ter number 08890 found at page 200 of the master list.
25 Q. And I would like --
Page 4258
1 THE INTERPRETER: Could Mr. Harmon please speak in the
2 microphone. Thank you.
3 MR. HARMON: I apologise.
4 It is -- I would like page 1 of the English and -- that's
5 correct. Both pages are accurately reflected on the monitor.
6 THE WITNESS: Sorry, it's on the monitor now?
7 MR. HARMON:
8 Q. Yes, sir.
9 A. Yes.
10 Q. Can you identify that?
11 A. It is a Federal Republic of Yugoslavia General Staff of the Army
12 of Yugoslavia
13 Relating to securing the apartment of Lieutenant-General General
14 Ratko Mladic, dated April 1994. Than was provided by the government of
15 the Republic of Serbia
16 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
18 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Let us sort one matter out with
19 Prosecution.
20 I can see in my e-court system that this document has three
21 English translations. I don't know if that's a technical difficulty or
22 problem.
23 MR. HARMON: Your Honours, for the record I'm interested in only
24 these pages that have been exhibited to go into the record.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Lukic, what will be admitted will be the
Page 4259
1 English page that is on the screen. Do you have a problem with that?
2 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] No, I don't.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
4 Then let's admit it. May it please be given an exhibit number.
5 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honour, those pages will be Exhibit P880.
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
7 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 8983.30 on the monitor, found at
8 page 211 of the master list.
9 THE WITNESS: 8983 --
10 MR. HARMON: .30.
11 MR. GUY-SMITH: Just for purposes of clarification, I take we're
12 off schedule, and I don't mean that in timely sense.
13 MR. HARMON: Your Honours have seen a series -- you have received
14 a schedule with a series of these documents. Now I am exhibiting this
15 single document for purposes of viewing, and this was not in the previous
16 schedule.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: It was not in the previous schedule.
18 MR. HARMON: No, sir. I took this out of the schedule. I want
19 the Court and counsel to see this specific item. That's why I have
20 called this up.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: When you say schedule, which schedule? The master
22 schedule or a small schedule. We don't have a small schedule right now.
23 MR. HARMON: It was a schedule, Your Honour. It was a previous
24 schedule that had similar documents over a period of approximately six
25 months. We had a discussion whether it should be called Schedule A or
Page 4260
1 whether it should be called something else.
2 So this item is similar to other items but in that previous
3 schedule.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Guy-Smith, I'm not sure I understood the point
5 you wanted to raise.
6 MR. GUY-SMITH: I think I understand -- well, I want to make sure
7 I'm with the right set of documents -- that's -- and I think I am now.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: You are now. Okay, fine. I'm still lost.
9 MR. GUY-SMITH: [Overlapping speakers] ...
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: I find you on the way.
11 Okay.
12 MR. HARMON:
13 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please?
14 A. This is a Federal Republic of Yugoslavia General Staff of the
15 Army of Yugoslavia
16 the staff administration of the General Staff of the Army of Yugoslavia
17 regarding the issuance of materiel supplies; and it was pride by the
18 government of the Republic of Serbia
19 Assistance 1350.
20 MR. HARMON: Could the Registrar scroll down on the English
21 version. Okay.
22 Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: May it please be given an exhibit number.
24 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P881, Your Honours.
25 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
Page 4261
1 MR. HARMON: Could I have Exhibit 65 ter number 2041 on the
2 monitor. It is at found at page 61 of the master list.
3 Q. Can you identify this document, Mr. Randall?
4 A. It is a Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, chief of the staff of the
5 Army of Yugoslavia
6 the service of the 30th Personnel Centre, bearing the name Colonel
7 General Momcilo Perisic, provided by the government of Serbia and
8 Montenegro
9 Q. Can you -- what was Request for Assistance -- what did you
10 request on 795, Mr. Randall?
11 A. I drafted that request, and it was for the provision of the
12 personnel file, the Yugoslav army personnel file for a person named
13 Mladen Kenjic.
14 Q. And who is Mladen Kenjic?
15 A. He was a driver of Ratko Mladic.
16 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Mr. Lukic.
18 THE WITNESS: Sorry. Civilian driver.
19 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] I suggest that it be marked for
20 identification.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Why do you suggest that, Mr. Lukic?
22 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] We didn't discuss these documents.
23 The idea was that we would be objecting to these individual documents as
24 Mr. Harmon presents them, and in relation to this particular one -- ones
25 we challenge the authenticity of the signature of Mr. Perisic.
Page 4262
1 MR. HARMON: Could it be an exhibit number MFI. I have no
2 objection, Your Honour.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, will you admit and give a marked
4 for identification, please, and give it an exhibit number.
5 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P882, marked
6 for identification.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
8 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter Exhibit 9102 on the monitor.
9 That's found at page 215 of the master list.
10 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify the document that is before you?
11 Should be a copy in your binder, if it --
12 A. I couldn't see it.
13 Q. All right.
14 A. The military post 2130, Belgrade
15 motor vehicles of the Army of Republika Srpska, and it was provided by
16 the government of the Republic of Serbia
17 Assistance 1634.
18 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, Mr. Lukic.
20 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] I move that this document also be
21 MFI
22 which, in the course of testimony of Mr. Gunj you said that they should
23 be MFI
24 relation to Witness Gunj, we believe that the document can be only be
25 marked for identification at this stage and that in the future course of
Page 4263
1 proceedings, the Prosecution may use other witnesses to prove the
2 authenticity of the document.
3 MR. HARMON: I have no objection for the moment this document be
4 marked for identification. I'm going to show a series of other documents
5 and then I would return to whether this should remain MFI. But for the
6 moment, so I can get past this, I have no objection.
7 MR. GUY-SMITH: Well, if I might, I think it does raise somewhat
8 of a -- both a procedural and conceptual problem in terms of the efforts
9 that we were engaged in for the past couple of days.
10 The document that is presently in question would be between two
11 documents that are part of the fuel schedule that we discussed before
12 that we previously marked for identification so we could visit the issue
13 as an entire issue and then come back to the Court with an intelligent
14 response as to the entire issue.
15 If we are going to at this point single out particular documents
16 which may fall within the general definition of any of the schedules that
17 we have engaged in, MFI
18 sort of conformity of approach, then the Chamber is going to be in a
19 situation where they have one document or exhibit which by the
20 Prosecution has succeeded in having introduced into evidence, and the
21 balance of the documents will be MFI
22 kind of argument the likes of which I did not anticipate, nor do I quite
23 frankly appreciate because it puts us in an untenable position with
24 regard to the balance and the argument in terms of their admissibility.
25 To the extent there will be those arguments is something that in a
Page 4264
1 certain sense will have been taken care of already because the
2 Prosecution will then be able to argue, and I understand why that we have
3 already visited this particular area. We have seen this kind of
4 document. The remaining documents fall within the same category and
5 there is no reason for the Chamber not to take the same position that it
6 took with regard to the single document.
7 And in terms of the spirit of what we've been trying to for the
8 past couple of days, I think that really defeats what we have been trying
9 to do. I understand the ingenuity of the approach, but I don't think it
10 necessarily achieves that which we wish to do.
11 MR. HARMON: I take Mr. Guy-Smith's point, and that wasn't my
12 point in trying to get this document isolated and therefore capitalise on
13 the remaining documents that were MFI
14 whatsoever. So I take my colleague's point. We can marked for
15 identification. I will address there point a little bit later.
16 MR. GUY-SMITH: Excellent, and I thank you.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, would you please admit and MFI?
18 Can you give us a number, please.
19 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P883, marked
20 for identification.
21 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
22 MR. HARMON: Thank you. Could I have 9101 on the monitor,
23 please. Found at page 215 of the master list.
24 Q. Can you identify the document, Mr. Randall?
25 A. Yugoslav army military post 2130, Belgrade, report, regarding a
Page 4265
1 summary of the quantities of fuel issued for motor vehicles of the Army
2 of Republika Srpska, dated 5 December 1997
3 the Republic of Serbia
4 MR. HARMON: Your Honour, could that be given an exhibit number.
5 MR. GUY-SMITH: MFI
6 MR. HARMON: No objection.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, would you please give an exhibit
8 number and MFI
9 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P884, marked
10 for identification.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much.
12 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 9100 on the monitor, please.
13 That's found at page 215 of the master list.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: I see these last three documents are similar
15 except they deal with different months.
16 MR. HARMON: Yes, that's correct. That is the last one of this
17 series that I intend to introduce, Your Honour.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay. My question was going to be having admitted
19 the first one, do we need the other two if they are exemplars.
20 MR. HARMON: The answer is no. I could have put this on a
21 schedule, Your Honour, quite honestly. I didn't.
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: It's okay.
23 MR. HARMON: Okay.
24 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please?
25 A. Yes. This is it the Yugoslav army military post 2130, Belgrade
Page 4266
1 report on the quantities of fuel issued for motor vehicles of the Army of
2 Republika Srpska for the month of September 1997, provided by the
3 government of the Republic of Serbia
4 Assistance 1634.
5 MR. GUY-SMITH: MFI
6 JUDGE MOLOTO: No objection, I guess, Mr. --
7 MR. HARMON: I'm just looking at the -- just to see this the --
8 the monitor.
9 I note that it says for the month of September on line -- no, I
10 stand corrected. I have no comment, and I withdraw those remarks.
11 If it could be given a number.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: And MFI
13 MR. HARMON: Yes, please.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: Please, Madam Registrar.
15 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P885, marked for
16 identification, Your Honours.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
18 MR. HARMON: Could I have --
19 MR. LUKIC: Excuse me.
20 [Interpretation] Let me add to avoid confusion we have the
21 English and B/C/S versions that do not correspond on the screens, but we
22 will work with the technical service in order to make sure that different
23 documents, documents that do not match are not admitted together.
24 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you, Mr. Lukic. And the one thing I
25 recognise on the B/C/S is the number 1015-1, which is also on the English
Page 4267
1 side. Are you sure they're not the same document? I couldn't recognise
2 anything else on the B/C/S. It is [indiscernible] in English.
3 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] I apologise. I actually did not
4 properly communicate with my associates. This refers to the previous two
5 documents which were on the screen, where the English did not correspond
6 to the B/C/S. I'm sorry.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: This one is fine.
8 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Yes, it is.
9 JUDGE MOLOTO: This one is fine. Okay. Thank you so much.
10 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] And I shall see to it that we
11 actually settle this outside the courtroom. Those which Mr. Harmon
12 wishes to tender, that is.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: Now that this one is okay, do you want to remove
14 the MFI
15 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] We wish it to be MFI'd.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay, thank you so much.
17 Mr. Harmon.
18 MR. HARMON: I have no objection, Your Honour.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you. We have MFI -- or, Madam Registrar,
20 can we have an exhibit number and marked for identification please.
21 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that was given a number, P885,
22 marked for identification.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you so much,
24 Madam Registrar.
25 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter -- I'm could I have P619 on the
Page 4268
1 monitor, please. P619, MFI
2 list.
3 JUDGE MOLOTO: Is it P619.
4 MR. HARMON: P619.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Marked for identification, sir.
6 Now, at page 215, Mr. Harmon, we don't have any --
7 MR. HARMON: It should be --
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: An already admitted document.
9 MR. HARMON: I'm sorry, Your Honour. It may appear as 9097. I
10 don't -- it does not -- if it does ...
11 Yes, Your Honours, it appears at page 215, 9097.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: Okay, so shall we -- but you say this already
13 admitted as a --
14 MR. HARMON: It is already admitted.
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: As P619.
16 MR. HARMON: Yes, Your Honour. Now, I'm seeking the provenance
17 of this document, Your Honour, so that is why I call up a previously
18 exhibited number.
19 JUDGE MOLOTO: That's fine.
20 MR. HARMON:
21 Q. Mr. Randall, can you, first of all, identify this document and
22 tell us the source of this document?
23 A. Federal Republic of Yugoslavia chief of the Yugoslav army General
24 Staff decision, with a date stamp 1 July 1997 regarding the issuance of
25 fuel for the replenishment of the Army of Republika Srpska; it was
Page 4269
1 received from government of Republic of Serbia
2 Assistance 1634.
3 MR. HARMON: It already has an exhibit number. I just wanted to
4 establish the provenance of the document.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
6 MR. GUY-SMITH: This document, just for clarification, has been
7 given an exhibit number marked for identification.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: That's what we are just saying.
9 MR. LUKIC: [Interpretation] Okay. Perfect. Thank you.
10 MR. HARMON: Next document is P618. It was 65 ter number 9098.
11 It also is found at page 215 of the master list.
12 Could that be put on the monitor, please.
13 JUDGE MOLOTO: It says P618.
14 MR. HARMON: Also MFI
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: MFI
16 MR. HARMON: Yes, sir.
17 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document and can you tell us
18 the provenance of this document?
19 A. It is a Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Yugoslav army General
20 Staff office of the chief of General Staff amendment to the decision to
21 an earlier decision confidential number 1015-1. This document is dated
22 25 August 1997
23 received from the government of the Republic of Serbia
24 Request for Assistance 1634.
25 Q. Thank you, Mr. Randall.
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1 MR. HARMON: Could we distribute another list to the Chamber and
2 Mr. Randall. And could the court officer call up 65 ter 8758. It is
3 found at page 197 of the master list.
4 THE WITNESS: Sorry, number?
5 MR. HARMON:
6 Q. 8758.
7 Mr. Randall, can you identify --
8 MR. HARMON: Oh, I'm sorry.
9 [Trial Chamber confers]
10 MR. HARMON:
11 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please.
12 A. This is a transcript of a conversation between General Perisic
13 and Zoran Lilic, dated 9 December 1995
14 Q. And the provenance of this document?
15 A. It was provided by the Republic of Croatia
16 for Assistance 496 to Croatia
17 MR. HARMON: I ask that this be given an exhibit number,
18 Your Honour.
19 MR. GUY-SMITH: This will be by agreement MFI'd and I think it's
20 part of an exemplar of an entire schedule that we will be discussing and
21 being MFI
22 MR. HARMON: Agreed.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Madam Registrar, would you please give it an
24 exhibit number and MFI
25 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P886 marked
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1 for identification.
2 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
3 MR. HARMON:
4 Q. Mr. Randall, you have a schedule in front of you that says:
5 Croatian intercepts. Can you examine that schedule and can you verify
6 the provenance of the documents that are contained therein.
7 A. The schedule is accurate.
8 MR. HARMON: I would ask that each of these items be given an
9 exhibit number, MFI
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: The schedule is admitted and marked for
11 identification. Can it be so admitted, Madam Registrar, at a convenient
12 time.
13 MR. HARMON: I have one final schedule to distribute,
14 Your Honours, if I may.
15 Could I go into private session, Your Honour, on this exhibit.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: May the Chamber please move into private session.
17 [Private session]
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14 [Open session]
15 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, we're back in open session.
16 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, Madam Registrar.
17 Yes, Mr. Harmon.
18 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 491 on the monitor. It is found
19 at page 26 of the master list.
20 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify this document, please.
21 A. I'll just rely on this.
22 It's an Army of Republika Srpska, Main Staff, strictly
23 confidential very urgent report to the president of Republika Srpska,
24 dated 15 May 1994
25 Major-General Manojlo Milovanovic. Sorry, just confirm the 65 ter?
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1 Q. 491.
2 A. That was provided by the authorities of the Republika Srpska.
3 MR. HARMON: Could this be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
4 JUDGE MOLOTO: It is admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
5 number, Madam Registrar.
6 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P888.
7 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you so much.
8 MR. HARMON: Could I have 65 ter 596 on the monitor. It is found
9 at page 33 of the master list.
10 A. 596, is it?
11 Q. 596, correct.
12 A. It's a report of the Main Staff of the Army of Republika Srpska,
13 strictly confidential, dated 11 April 1994. It was provided by the
14 authorities of Republika Srpska and it bears the name Major-General
15 Manojlo Milovanovic.
16 MR. HARMON: Could this be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: It is admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
18 number, Madam Registrar.
19 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P889, Your Honours.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
21 MR. HARMON: I can see that I have two more of these, Your
22 Honour, that could have been on the schedule, so I will go through these
23 last two documents very quickly.
24 Could I have 65 ter 733 on the monitor, page 40 of the master
25 list.
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1 Q. Can you identify the document, Mr. Randall?
2 A. Republika Srpska army, Main Staff report, very urgent, dated
3 16 May 1994
4 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: It is admitted. May it please be given an exhibit
6 number, Madam Registrar.
7 THE REGISTRAR: That will be Exhibit P890, Your Honours.
8 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
9 MR. HARMON: P861, if that could be put on the monitor, please.
10 And -- I'm sorry. 65 ter 891 [sic]. It is page 45 of the master list.
11 I apologise, I identified the wrong 65 ter. It is 861, not 891.
12 JUDGE MOLOTO: You're tired, Mr. Harmon.
13 MR. HARMON: Yes, a little bit. I think we all are.
14 Q. Mr. Randall, can you identify the item on the monitor before you?
15 A. Main Staff of the Army of Republika Srpska, strictly
16 confidential, dated 14 April 1994
17 Major-General Manojlo Milovanovic, provided by the authorities of
18 Republika Srpska.
19 MR. HARMON: Could that be given an exhibit number, Your Honour.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Yes, please. Can we give of that an exhibit
21 number, please.
22 THE REGISTRAR: Your Honours, that will be Exhibit P891.
23 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you.
24 MR. HARMON:
25 Q. Could we turn to the schedule, Mr. Randall, that is in front of
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1 you.
2 And let me, first of all, say, Your Honours and to counsel, the
3 last item on the schedule, which is shaded, I'd like to strike that from
4 the schedule; that being 8996.
5 And, Mr. Randall, can you again review this schedule and verify
6 the provenance of the documents.
7 A. The schedule is accurate.
8 MR. HARMON: I ask that each of the items on the schedule be
9 given a exhibit number, Your Honour.
10 MR. GUY-SMITH: No objection.
11 JUDGE MOLOTO: Can we give that an exhibit number, please,
12 Madam Registrar, at your convenience.
13 MR. HARMON: I think that, Your Honour, that concludes your
14 presentation for today. As I had mentioned earlier --
15 JUDGE MOLOTO: You're still going to work.
16 MR. HARMON: We would like to adjourn at this point and continue
17 our work, and I would request that Mr. Randall come back on Tuesday.
18 JUDGE MOLOTO: Fine. Are we going to have a witness on Monday?
19 MR. HARMON: Yes. Obviously there is one potential witness on
20 Monday. I don't know what -- how that is going to resolve itself,
21 Your Honour. The court wishes --
22 JUDGE MOLOTO: Is it only potential at this stage. Are we
23 adjourning to Tuesday or are we adjourning to Monday.
24 MR. HARMON: Well, I don't know what is going happen with a
25 particular witness that Mr. Thomas discussed yesterday. So I don't know
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1 if that particular witness will appear or not appear, but ... I selected
2 Tuesday because I was hopeful that he would appear, but I perhaps am too
3 hopeful; and we could have Mr. Randall appear on Monday as well. I'm at
4 your disposal, Your Honours.
5 JUDGE MOLOTO: Well, I'm not sure how long that witness is going
6 take us. So I can't even begin to say, Mr. Randall must come on Monday
7 if the Prosecution has reserved that day for a witness. I don't know how
8 long that witness is going to be on the witness stand.
9 MR. HARMON: I am afraid I can't inform you, Your Honours.
10 JUDGE MOLOTO: In that event, Mr. Randall, you are excused for
11 the day, once again the warning that you don't discuss with anybody. See
12 you on Tuesday at --
13 THE WITNESS: Yes, sir.
14 JUDGE MOLOTO: I will give you the full detail. That will be
15 Tuesday the 17th, at a quarter past 2.00, in Courtroom II.
16 THE WITNESS: Yes, Your Honour.
17 JUDGE MOLOTO: Thank you very much, Mr. Randall. You are
18 excused. You may sit there because we are going to adjourn.
19 MR. HARMON: Thank you, Your Honour.
20 JUDGE MOLOTO: Then we stand adjourned to Monday, Courtroom II,
21 quarter past 2.00.
22 Court adjourned.
23 --- Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 11.37 a.m.
24 to be reconvened on Monday, the 16th day of March,
25 2009, at 2.15 p.m.